Chain, chain, chain....
Thursday, July 31, 2025
More chain lube follies
Monday, January 20, 2025
Wax on...wax off.
Wax on...wax off.
Zio thought this was interesting. Regular blog readers have read his questions about the wax-cult and their claims about insane longevity of chains when wax is used instead of oil. Now a major chain maker is selling 'em pre-waxed and claims all ya gotta do is use the drip lube they sell. Just wipe the chain with a clean cloth they say and you're good to go. More details here.
Zio asked the "L. Ron Hubbard" of the wax-cult for his thoughts. I guess it should have been no surprise that "Friction Fiction" went off on a rant about how removing/degreasing/boiling your chain in wax is the greatest thing ever and anyone who questions this is a moron, or in his words - a "flat earther". We'll note here that NO chain or component maker that Zio knows of recommends removing your chain for cleaning, let alone taking all the original lubricant off and boiling it in wax. Most seem to warn against removing the chain except to replace it with a new one.
And let's not forget a chain (like a tire or brake pad) is a "service-item" that has a lifespan and should be replaced when it gets to its service-limit. Chain makers give a elongation measurement for replacement, saying if you exceed it you risk damaging other drivetrain components.
Zio's guess is if one could buy a pre-waxed chain and maintain it simply by wiping and dripping on some of the same wax, "Friction"s sales of bags o'wax pellets, etc. would probably tank, right?
But it got Zio to thinking about this more, ending up here for some comparisons taken from "Friction"s own website.
Zio notes the top performing drip lube in the "cost per run" charts is a product* that sells for $7.50 an ounce! Yep, ONE ounce! While the "cost per run" may not be as good as the immersive waxing scheme, Zio's not gonna bother doing that so he didn't bother with the chart showing those results.
But it makes him wonder how a drip lube that costs 68 cents an ounce and so far (3000+ kms) has netted 0 wear on a new 13 speed chain would rate?
But Zio's guess is "Friction" will NEVER test MOBIL 1 SHC 75/90 because it's not marketed as a chain lube and would quite likely put a big dent in his entire wax-cult program. And as noted above, don't forget WAX comes from petroleum so the cultists who insist it's all so environmentally-friendly vs a few drops of oil on your chain are pulling-your-leg.
Finally, there's the issue of WHAT is the economy here? A new 12 speed chain sells for around $50** online. So if you double the life of yours you're saving $50, right? Triple the life and you save $100. But if you have to spend $50 on a bag o' wax + $100 on a "system" to boil your chain in wax + solvent and maybe ultrasonic cleaning equipment to take the grease off before you can do the waxing, not to mention the time involved with it all - WHERE is the savings vs just dripping some oil on now and then and cleaning the drivetrain when you wash the bike?
It's hard for ol' Zio not to see this as one of those "Save $ by buying my expensive stuff" schemes even if the claims of chain longevity are 100% true and accurate, but as they say "your results may vary".
* To be fair, this product's maker claims it contains no petroleum products, the "wax" is made from plant materials.
**Friction claims "We have cassettes at 700+ (my t-type xxsl is $1100 aud), chains are now up to 260 aud ($150+) for a t-type xxsl. Chain rings like sram red with integrated power meter can be 1500 to $2000aud+" which may well be true, but it kind of illustrates the stupidity of "saving money by using my expensive products" and makes Zio wonder what these people are doing that justifies this kind of expense? He remembers back-in-the-day special aluminum freewheels and titanium chains, but those were "world record attempt" limited-use things. Friction certainly knows his customers better than Zio and maybe they're happy spending this kind of dough and his immersive waxing regimen seems cheap in comparison?
Tuesday, April 23, 2024
A proper handlebar at last!
Arrivederci FSA!
Wednesday, April 3, 2024
FSA Carbon Handlebar
Tuesday, March 12, 2024
Fixed!
-MV-AGUSTA E-Gravel Bike
Tuesday, February 27, 2024
Slippery Subject Part 3
More slippin' and slidin'
Monday, September 25, 2023
A Slippery Subject Part 2
Friction Fiction?
Link to Part 1 HERE. Zio Lorenzo was doing the equivalent of "channel surfing" the other day on that popular internet site for people to upload video of all kinds. More and more these seemed aimed at somehow making money. Zio's made a couple of these himself, but the idea was to be helpful, sharing some information he thought not well represented online. He was not paid, just made 'em on request from a friend.
Being a long-time bicycle mechanic he was drawn to some chain-care videos that make some...well....questionable claims about wax. If you've been a bike rider for any length of time there's a good chance you've been accosted by one of these cult members. Zio certainly has!
Back-in-the-day the cult was smaller and perhaps the claims less questionable since they centered around how clean things would stay while maybe your chain would last longer as a result. But you still had to clean all the (perfectly good, though maybe aimed more at keeping the chain from rusting in the package than helping you go fast?) lube off the thing somehow, then boil it in the wax.
Back then it was often just wax used to seal jars sold at the grocery store. Zio dismissed the attempts to get him to join the cult, figuring there was nothing much wrong with oil unless you were one of those clean-freaks. A well-lubricated chain is already said to be something like 98% efficient vs gears or belts, so what's the big deal?
A couple of things happened over recent years that seemed to revive and expand the waxing cult: Quick-links made it easier to remove and reinstall your chain and the era of "watts", as in measured power output or power "savings" via reduced friction, aero drag, etc, began. These developments made specialized waxes with special additives to the basic paraffin claimed to reduce friction and extend chain life popular and PROFITABLE - a 500 gram bag of this stuff can cost $50!
But you can't just buy a $50 bag o' snake-wax and dump it on your chain! First you have to clean the chain, best done (they say) via an ultrasonic cleaner and some sort of solvent, despite the fact that every chain maker's instructions Zio's read say NEVER remove your chain for cleaning. Once it's clean you'll need to boil it in the snake-wax, hoping you don't burn down your shop or garage in the process. Don't laugh, Zio knows of more than one wax-cult member who did just that!
All this for what? To avoid that "fred mark" on your calf if you bang it into the chainring? With the arrival of power-meters and talk of watt-saving, the supposed efficiency improvements now take center-stage, followed by wild claims of improved chain life and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars saved on cogs and chainrings!
Zio dismisses all the watt-saving hoopla as mostly marketing-maven bullspeak as finishing his daily bike ride one minute sooner is meaningless, but what about the longer chain and component life? Isn't that worth something?
A brand-new KMC 12-speed bike chain can be had for around $30 while 10 or 11-speed versions cost less. Zio's math says spending a lot of money and time to extend the life of a $30-40 chain is a losing proposition. If you keep a nearly-new chain on the the bike, the cogs and chainrings last almost forever based on results from the rental fleet Zio maintained for almost 2 decades.
But some of these snake-wax salesmen get pretty riled-up when you point this out as Zio assumes they're making fat stax selling $50 bags o' wax? One of these self-appointed wizards from the "World's leading independent test facility for chain lubricants" (his claim) has responded with some pretty nasty emails on the subject when asked about certain products he either hasn't tested*** or at least doesn't provide data for. The angry responses make Zio think he's hiding something, but who knows?
*** The guy mentioned finally DID mention testing Finish Line Wet lube in February 2024. No surprise that it wasn't highly rated but it was interesting he claimed nobody responded to inquiries he'd made to the maker. Zio contacted the maker who said they'd never heard anything from the guy, despite his claims to the contrary. Zio wonders if Mobil 1 would test any better but maybe the test protocol might be devised to make wax lubes look better since that's what the guy sells? Either way, he's content to skip the wax-cult's obsessive practices, save the money and "pay" any penalty in watts lost on his rides.
**** There's a guy out there asking $100 a liter for a spray wax product for bicycles! Might be some great stuff but how can it be worth 5 X the price of stuff you can buy at the auto parts store? What could it possible do (or not do) to your bike to justify that price?
Wednesday, February 1, 2023
Veloflex tires
Some things are just right!
Have you ever bought something and been delighted with...the packaging? The people at Veloflex seem to care about these things. The story (or legend) is when Vittoria tires sold out and the whole works was moved to Thailand some workers stayed in Italy and started their own company.
Friday, November 11, 2022
He's BAAAaaack!
Super Gravel Monster lives on
Wednesday, August 10, 2022
REDSHIFT ShockStop stem review
REDSHIFT ShockStop stem review*
It comes with a selection of elastomers so you can get the amount of movement you prefer. Zio set his up using the recommended pair and liked it just fine. No bouncing around, just a bit more "cush" when your front wheel hits a bump. No slop or wiggle when you hop over a bigger bump though you do get a bit of movement when you land or stand up and push down hard on the bars, but nothing like that when simply standing up on the pedals to accelerate or climb. You don't notice it until you hit a bump and even then it's very subtle, but still effective.
Overall, it feels like Zio let another 10 psi out of the front tire without any of the squishiness he'd feel running that tire at just 50 psi, so he's kind of happy that he failed to bring a rigid 10 cm stem down here just-in-case!
* Zio bought this at MSRP through the REDSHIFT website.
Monday, May 3, 2021
Slam that stem!
Slam that stem?